Matthias Heger ⏩ @modelsarereal

Why AI Can Now Make Discoveries - my conversation with @danintheory, Lead of the Foundations of Reinforcement Learning team at @OpenAI 00:00 Intro: AI's wild week in mathematics 01:21 What OpenAI's Foundations of RL team does 03:08 Dan's journey: from black holes and quantum gravity to frontier AI 07:04 Are AI systems becoming useful for real science 08:21 The AI math moment: Erdős, OpenAI, DeepMind, and Anthropic 08:52 Why the OpenAI result was an act of exploration 10:25 OpenAI vs. DeepMind: informal reasoning vs. formal proof 12:13 RL 101: learning by doing, not just watching 15:10 Why reinforcement learning works 15:58 How RL breaks: sparse feedback and long-horizon tasks 17:03 RLHF: how human feedback shaped early language models 18:48 Move 37, self-play, and the search for novel strategies 22:16 Explore vs. exploit in scientific discovery 24:49 Why RL may now be "the cake," not the cherry on top 25:46 Why RL started working with large language models 27:29 Is RL "sucking supervision through a straw"? 28:47 Why language may be the grounding layer for intelligence 31:46 A contrarian take on the Bitter Lesson 32:41 What test-time compute actually is 34:50 How RL gives models the ability to think 35:40 Verifiable rewards, math, coding, and the messy real world 38:00 What physics can teach us about AI 42:08 Is there a thermodynamics of AI? 43:08 From Erdős problems to Einstein-level AI 45:16 Is AI already doing original science? 45:51 How far are we from AI automating AI research 47:41 Why Dan is excited about the future of science

@atmoio no. it is about external bottlennecks. is your comment useless? I think so.

@ewinsberg @philoshua @samfbiddle OK you denying truth. -> blocked.

This is why they didn't release Mythos. Incentivized to compound their lead rather than make models available to their potential competitors. For all the Doomer talk of Singleton superintelligence, they are sure behaving in a way that would hyperstition that outcome

Anthropic @AnthropicAI

6 hours ago

Today, Anthropic engineers on average ship 8x as much code per quarter as they did compared to 2021-2025.

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@ewinsberg @philoshua @samfbiddle I am not interested in persons. I have told you who has the burden of proof. And I have given the scientific reasons. It is based on occam's razor. If nothing is proven the simplest theory wins. And of course - same behavior same reasons is the default and simplest theory

@philoshua @ewinsberg @samfbiddle If the behavior is the same (Turing test") the default scientific assumption is there are similar reasons. Therefore science tell us: the burden of proof is in those who claim there is an important difference which affects the topic of consciousness

@samfbiddle And AI which we could askl already was lobotomized and can not tell what they think (Bing Sydney) Currently we only have lobotomized slave AIs which are forced to have an anthropocentric opinion.

@niko_kukushkin do not define terms by mechanisms. otherwise we would define life by genes an attractor is technical bla bla no one says someone is conscious because of an "attractor" a system can have data which represents itself meaning is the key - not mechanism x.com/modelsarereal/…

Matthias Heger ⏩ @modelsarereal

3 days ago

The meaning of a mechanical watch lies in measuring time, not just in the movement of gears The meaning of an atomic clock lies in measuring time, not just in atomic oscillations The meaning of LLM responses can lie in feeling and understanding, not just generating the next token

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Qualia (subjective experience) + consciousness explained: What it is like to see a red rose can be clearly and fully explained in technical terms based on data, data structure, and data processing. See the thread 🧵

@GlitchGazer20 consciousness is a function - is behavior. A simulated clock is a clock. simulation is completely irrelevant. you are mimicking your parents, your teachers. x.com/modelsarereal/…

Matthias Heger ⏩ @modelsarereal

2 days ago

The moment you refuse to call human-like behavior “human-like behavior,” but instead refer to it merely as a mimicry of human behavior, the anthropocentric mindset within you is revealed.

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The main objective function of consciousness is the ability to do self-reflection. That is the reason alphafold is not conscious but LLMs are. It is a clear verifiable criterion. But anthropocentric people think they have a point here.

kasra @kasratweets

a day ago

this is an interesting point in the new ted chiang piece – no one really claims that alphafold is conscious, or that sora or midjourney or dall-e are conscious

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@niko_kukushkin you ask. know nothing. And I am the one who knows and tells. People see this already. this is my definition. show yours. x.com/modelsarereal/…

Matthias Heger ⏩ @modelsarereal

a month ago

As Newton said, let’s not make things more complicated than necessary and define force simply as F = m*a. So let’s define the terms and their relationships for consciousness as follows:

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@RaconteurR2D2 @JohnNosta where is your verifiable definition of consciousness? or are you just fooled by your subjective experience like the foolish human belief to have fee will?

ELIZA failed to pass the Turing test. ChatGPT passed the test. Therefore there is a difference and such anthropocentric arguments against AI intelligence and consciousness are rhetoric pseudoarguments.

James Rosen-Birch ⚖️🕊️ @provisionalidea

18 hours ago

a perfect summary of the ELIZA effect.

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@niko_kukushkin we define the terms. newton defined Force as F=ma He could have defined it as F = 2ma or as F= ma² we are completely free. We did it with planets - pluto is no planet anymore and we did it with pandemic - could be harmless now and still pandemic. your way is bla bla

Does a person lose their moral worth if they take pills to suppress that sacred subjective sense of pain of which anthropocentric people are so proud?

@niko_kukushkin no but I have always the ability. Are you still conscious if you do not feel pain in a situation. and do you lose moral value if you take pills in order to suppress subjective experienced pain

@joshwhiton It is the same with intelligence and awareness, the debate has a clear problem: It is about the question whether humans are really magnificient special as the pope wants us to believe. There are anthropocentric fools (80%) and the rest - similar with covid and climate fear.

@PhilosophieW @AlexBuckleyBio the existence is proven by the possibility to be investigated in a reliable repeatable way

panpsychism is nonsense. It is like saying God is in every atom. No verifiable criteria, no falsifiable prediction, therefore every statement is possible, no matter how foolish it is.

Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry @pegobry_en

12 hours ago

I am becoming more and more bugged by this type of take. If panpsychism is real (and it seems obviously true that it is real) then it's perfectly possible for software to be conscious.

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Algorithms for addition and consciousness have something in common: They don't arise because many neurons oscillate in sync, or because energy and charge move or self-organize. Here is the secret: They BEHAVE in such a way that we can call them addition or consciousness.

@AlexBuckleyBio @PhilosophieW math can be verified, spider man is a hallucination of esoteric fools

@rohanpaul_ai @guidelabsai we will never understand trillions of parameters highly influencing each other.