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Elon Musk says blaming difficulty of bringing massive AI compute online on a "lack of electricity" is an oversimplification because power, memory, networking, cooling and construction all need to come together. Real advantage is shifting toward companies that can actually deliver working compute rather than just announce more data centers.
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*NSCALE, ANTHROPIC IN TALKS FOR $45 BILLION CLOUD COMPUTING DEAL Is this for compute in 2040 when the UK finally has the electricity to power up the data center
It's very very different, this time. AI Hyperscalers Net Debt/EBITDA at 0.1x vs. Internet Backbone Providers at 3.9x in 2000, a 39x difference. The dot-com companies were funding fiber rollout with debt and capital market issuance. Today's hyperscalers are funding AI capex internally from operating cash flow.
Yesterday evening I had the pleasure of attending an interesting event hosted by @sfcompute and @jumptrading focused on the compute space. Some brief takeaways: - There's an increasing understanding that greater liquidity in compute markets requires the construction of unifying benchmark indices, so that bespoke/OTC markets can be priced/quoted as a diff to a shared set of benchmarks, similar to what exists in the energy complex already (think crude grades and power). Part of the discussion is whether this will organically emerge if more traditional players (Citadel, Jump, blue-chip banks) expand their OTC offering for bilateral hedges (using their own prices), or require an independent party (S&P, CME, etc.) to validate and give credence for broader adoption. - Massive growth in the compute space is largely underpinned by structured financing trades with hedging mandates (similar to what you see in the oil and gas space). If someone with a sizable balance sheet just lent you a lot of money, who's likely to give you more aggressive pricing than their sales and trading arm? - Funding from life insurers has been a key part of the data center buildout (you could call it duration matching), with an increasing number of insurers considering hedging compute. Some of this exposure sits in mortgage books, while the biggest bucket is via corporate bonds ($ORCL, $MSFT, $META, and $GOOG comprise nearly 80% of Athene's IG software debt). - Quite a few folks seem offered over on the backend of the curve, largely driven by: * Concerns that distressed sellers could flood the market if the AI growth story slows down (as there's a lot of GPU-backed debt to unwind) * Natural hedgers are mostly sellers, as operators need contracted revenue to borrow, so they sell further out on the curve; buyers mostly lock in near-term rates w/ marginal demand coming from a handful of labs whose spending is contingent on their ability to still tap into financing * Software improvements are reducing GPU-hour needs, all the while new chips are depreciating the value of old hardware per unit of compute: $NVDA is releasing a new gen roughly every year (Blackwell Ultra, Rubin, and Rubin Ultra). That said, it does look like old chips are staying useful longer than most depreciation models assume, since inference and smaller models still allow sufficient monetization of older hardware. It'll be quite exciting to see how the space continues to mature, especially as new marketplaces begin to emerge for financially and physically settled compute. Huge thanks to @affaan and team for organizing!
Neoclouds such as CoreWeave and Nebius are backstopped by companies with trillion dollar market caps and access to the cheapest financing in the world NVIDIA has a 10% equity stake in CoreWeave and has committed to buy any unused capacity through 2032, up to $6.3B NScale, Lambda, Nebius and Iren have equity ownership and preferential vendor agreements with NVIDIA Microsoft has signed a contract and prepaid 20% of the value at Iren. NVIDIA has backed leases at both NScale and Lambda. Google has backed both Hut8 and TeraWulf through guarantees on the lease. Amazon has guaranteed leases for Cipher. Yet, people still believe that these companies are at risk of default simply from looking at credit default spread charts
modular compute is a bet on risk traditional DCs concentrate integration and commissioning risk at the end. modular front-loads more of that risk into manufacturing, procurement, and financing. it's not necessarily cheaper, but it can bring revenue forward. for leveraged operators like @CoreWeave, every month between capital deployment and revenue generation matters. and as NVIDIA standardizes much of the hardware stack, differentiation shifts toward who can finance, integrate, and deploy capacity fastest. the next advantage in compute is cheaper risk
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CoreWeave's debt, explained simply, because I like to speak plainly: Secured debt = the mortgage. Backed by the house. The GPUs and the contracts they serve are the collateral. Unsecured debt = the credit card. Backed by a promise. Everyone is panicking that $CRWV UNSECURED yield to MATURITY hit 15% But a credit card rate spiking doesn't mean the house (or in this case the GPUs/data centers) lost value. The secured lenders or the ones who underwrote the actual GPUs and contracts aren't selling here. Now zoom out, because this is analogous to the entire AI market in wrapped up in a single company. Trillions in secured, asset-backed debt are loaned against GPUs, data centers, power contracts, and signed capacity deals with hyperscalers. This money doesn't care about stock prices or investor sentiment. It gets paid if the contracts pay. (Sounds pretty similar to $next if you ask me…) Below that in line is unsecured debt, a bet on the companies themselves. On top of everything is the equity, a bet on the story. So when you see scary headlines about "AI debt," ask one question: which layer? Yields spiking on unsecured debt and equities dropping while secured debt sits calm simply means the market is repricing the story. The assets are fine. The buildout keeps getting funded because the secured debt holders still believes in the collateral. The day that changes… well the day secured lenders start questioning GPU values and contract quality, is the day the AI trade actually breaks and we should run for the hills. Until then, volatility at the top of the stack (unsecured, equities) is just the shock absorbers doing their job.
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David Sacks pushes back on the AI bubble narrative and says the Corweave crash is just volatility "I would make the argument that this is just volatility, which you're going to get a lot of whenever you're underwriting to multi-trillion dollar outcomes in the future based on very rapid, exponential rates of growth." "The market is going to be super sensitive to any data points we have in the present. And so everything's gonna be exaggerated. And that's why you get these big swings." "That to me is the explanation of volatility. I don't think that something fundamental has changed. Has the demand changed? No. We know that the demand for compute just keeps growing by leaps and bounds. In fact, everyone is saying that they are compute constrained." "I mean, you got the biggest model companies are saying their compute constrained. Startups are saying it. I mean they're asking their VCs, hey, can you help us get compute. I think you've got some VCs even trying to buy compute as basically a strategy for competitive differentiation so they can help their startups." "Old GPUs, like even the H100s or the A100s, which are several generations old, they're still renting at premium prices right now. They were supposed to be fully depreciated, and they're not."
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