Jameson Lopp @lopp
Insights on security, privacy, technology, money · Co-founder & Chief Security Officer @CasaHODL · creator of https://t.co/q2pgFGTJZh, https://t.co/xUkNreXj20 lopp.net Cyberspace Joined March 2009-
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Had a nightmare in which @SECGov sued me for selling unregistered security. 😱
"All you have to do is write one true sentence. Write the truest sentence that you know." - Ernest Hemingway
Has your doctor told you that your cholesterol is too high? Demand more data before doing anything drastic so that you can make informed decisions! #repost blog.lopp.net/the-myth-of-ba…
JUST IN: Republic First Bank officially collapses and seized by regulators.
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BITCOIN BLOCK HEIGHT HITS ALL TIME HIGH!
Looks like @ProtonMail is having some issues; hopefully this is just a coincidence in light of all the other attacks on privacy this week.
The Bitcoin Core Config Generator is now compatible with the recent Core v27 release. There are now 177 configuration options! jlopp.github.io/bitcoin-core-c…
This is a warning worth heeding. The FBI is explicitly telling us that *they themselves* are going to steal your money when they attack non-compliant custodial services. The FBI is making a strong case for self custody!
Bitcoin is an open collaborative project. As such, public discussion of current events and improvement proposals is crucial to its healthy evolution. Here are places outside of Twitter where you can meet other enthusiasts: lopp.net/bitcoin-inform…
Technology pessimists will perpetually be wrong, unless humanity manages to destroy itself... in which case, no one will care that they were right.
The most under-appreciated part of Casa's offering by non-customers is our Advisor team. And this is pretty hard to convey in traditional "marketing"; you have to experience it to understand it. Casa was the first self-custody company to offer hands on, high touch advisory.…
Rough estimate of funds mixed through Whirlpool (excluding remixes) via on-chain analysis. X axis is #bitcoin block height. H/T @clarkmoody
Your money is fake. Your food & water are poisoned. You're paying for wars based upon lies. Your country is run by corrupt people pretending to represent your interests. You're too distracted by bullshit to do anything about it.
Cypherpunks write code. x.com/halfin/status/…
In "DeFi for Defiance" I present problems with how many DeFi dapps are architected and offer suggestions for how to approach the concept of decentralized finance. youtube.com/watch?v=z61JzZ…
I call for the immediate arrest of all ISP employees for profiting from knowingly facilitating criminal activity!
Without further improvements, on-chain mixing will become too expensive for most people to afford. We wouldn't want to do something crazy like *gasp* change the Bitcoin protocol to support cross-input signature aggregation!
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7K Followers 717 FollowingThat's why your country sucks
In the UK, if you walked outside an active court case in which you were the defendant and called it a "rigged trial" like this, your feet wouldn't even touch the ground on the way to jail
@csuwildcat Eric is one of the very few people who I would argue has a holistic non-consensus view of bitcoin Cryptoeconomics is one of the few bitcoin books worth reading because it offers a differentiated opinion I value that, and so value Eric whether I agree with him on everything or…
For generations, my family fled from tyranny and struggled and worked hard so they could come to the US to give us a better future. And now I find myself fleeing from the exact same kind of tyranny in the US.
Moderated a “Future of #Bitcoin” panel discussion with @BitcoinPierre, @lopp, John D’Agostino, and @neha earlier this month. Discussed the future of development, adoption, innovation, and impact.
LNURL INVOICE RETRIEVER ⚡️ Are you a user of @CashApp or another #Lightning wallet that doesn't support Lightning Address? Use my tool to grab an invoice from a LNURL or Lightning Address, then pay it with any Lightning wallet. It works! 🔗 dplus.plus/lnurl
@lopp We’re looking into this one, thanks for your patience!
I am pleased to announce that the council has just confirmed that they will be giving @realbedford a 15 year lease extension at McMullen Park. This is great news for the town and everybody involved in football in Bedford. Thank you to those who worked hard to get this over the…
Bitcoin is not for the weak-hearted. You either get it and believe in it, and then the ups and downs are just part of the journey, or you are unsure and vomit on every windy road and turn. I went all in years ago. No looking back.
TIL @github deletes all issues and PRs if a user gets suspended. This can happen very randomly, and in addition to engineer below it also happened to GitHub (now Microsoft) cofounder @defunkt earlier in this. This is insanity, and also a huge security risk. We can’t trust Big…
Does anyone know someone at @github ? One of our engineers got their account suspended for an unknown reason. It removed all outstanding PRs and issues which create a considerable setback for the team. Simply looking for the reason for the ban as a starting point 🙏
I support taxing unrealized gains if we can deduct charitable contributions from our tax, not taxable income
Forbes research published a list of 20 crypto billion-dollar zombies. These are L1s with high valuation but "are unproven and have little utility other than for speculative crypto trading." Notable mentions: $STX, $ICP, $FTM, $ADA, $EOS...
Legislation by indictment is unconstitutional and needs to stop.
He said he was a prompt engineer but he kept joining standup late
When we were audited, the IRS crypto committee told our accountant that cold storage was a "huge red flag"
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@lopp Why are you letting door manufacturers off the hook? Some of the most heinous crimes are committed behind closed doors…