Ryan Garner @imkharn

You might like this similar quote more: Michael Ellner -- Just look at us. Everything is backwards, everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, psychiatrists destroy minds, scientists destroy truth, major media destroys information, religions destroy spirituality and governments destroy freedom.

If you have not already seen it, here is Albert Einstein explaining the same thing: x.com/imkharn/status…

Ryan Garner @imkharn

12 months ago

In 1953 Albert Einstein closed his eyes and imagined roughly this animation. He then wrote the following forward to a book: "[This] idea if it continues to prove itself is of great importance...A great many empirical data indicate...many climatic changes have taken

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Plato Explains ECDO theory ------------------------------ Helpful before you read: ---I don't actually know for sure that Plato is explaining a fast true polar wander event (ECDO), it's just so happens Plato's explanation of a cataclysm involving global earthquakes, the stars changing their course of motion, the conservation of momentum demanding a change in Earth's rotation in order to not expend energy, state 1 lasting 'infinitely' longer than state 2, that the same crops wouldn't grow in state 2, and much more.... is all very close to ECDO theory, so I made it the title. You can learn about this aspect of ECDO theory here: theethicalskeptic.com/2024/05/12/exo… ---The original translator Jowett, translated from Greek in two different ways. The first is just Plato speaking, reworded to no longer be a conversation. I included both. The second is further below and includes questions asked by Socrates. ---Plato often talks about forces of nature as if they are divine. i.e. "unseen forces and rules of physics" => God or lesser god or divine forces. ---Plato sometimes references "earthborn". He explains elsewhere that these are humanoids/humans that were not born naturally from other humans. He explains that they are an "earth-born race" that come out of the ground when a change happens to Earth's rotation. This is not part of ECDO theory, but I still included it because it was amusing. ---The text below is kind of long, but it includes everything ECDO related plus some. Most of their conversation is about unrelated topics. My hope is that this post contains everything you might care about -- I don't think I skipped anything you would want to read. The full text I used be found here: gutenberg.org/files/1738/173… Other than the below two modifications the text you are about to read is only exact excerpts from Plato's "Statesman": ---I changed most instances of 'world' to 'Earth'. ---[text] is my rewording of Plato or a minor additions of words to improve readability. I only did this when the original phrasing was very difficult to understand for modern English readers. I stayed faithful and avoided any pro-ECDO bias. ----------Disclaimer by Jowett----------- This myth...is more historical than poetical...It is hardly a myth in the sense in which the term might be applied to [other] myths. And [Plato] is not without express testimony to the truth of his narrative --...the first generation of the new cycle...have preserved a recollection of a previous one. He also appeals to internal evidence...[our ancestors before the cycle understood the connections between entire] spheres of knowledge, which to us appear wide apart as the poles, [and subjects such as] astronomy and medicine were naturally connected in the minds of early thinkers...Thus there is a basis of philosophy, on which the improbabilities of the tale may be said to rest. These are some of the [rhetorical] devices by which Plato, like a modern novelist, seeks to familiarize [readers with] the marvellous. ----------Narrative Translation by Jowett------------ I think that we can...recourse to a famous old tradition, which may amuse as well as instruct us -- the narrative is perfectly true, although the skepticism of mankind is prone to doubt the tales of old. You have heard what happened...how the sun and stars once arose in the west and set in the east...'There is such a story.' And no doubt you have heard of the empire of Cronos, and of the earthborn men? The origin...is to be found in the tale which I am about to narrate. There was a time when God directed the revolutions of the world, but at the completion of a certain cycle he let go; and the world, by a necessity of its nature, turned back, and went round the other way...The earth and heavens...have a body, and are therefore liable to perturbation. In the case of the Earth, the perturbation is very slight, and amounts only to a reversal of motion. [The laws of physics for] moving things is [able to] self-move; [there is no need to assume on faith] that God has given the universe opposite motions; or that there are two gods, one turning it in one direction, another in another. But the truth is, that there are two cycles of the world, and in one of them it is governed by an immediate Providence...and in the other is let go again, and has a reverse action.. This new action is spontaneous, and is due to...balance...vast size... and...the smallness of the pivot upon which it turns. All changes in the Earth and heavens affect the animal world, and this being the greatest of them, is most destructive to men and animals. At the beginning of the cycle before our own, very few...survived...For their life was reversed like the motion of the Earth...our ancestors, who came into being immediately after the end of the last cycle and at the beginning of this, have preserved the recollection. Such traditions are often now unduly discredited, and yet they may be proved by internal evidence. For observe how consistent the narrative is... The previous state [before the cycles, people had]...boundless leisure...they had employed these advantages with a view to philosophy, gathering from every [part of] nature some addition to their store of knowledge...they had merely eaten and drunk, and told stories to one another...But...nobody [really] knows [what their daily life was like], the question must remain unanswered. ...In the fulness of time, when the earthborn men had all passed away, the ruler of the universe let go the helm, and became a spectator; and destiny and natural impulse swayed the Earth. At the same instant all the inferior deities gave up their hold; the whole universe rebounded, and there was a great earthquake, and utter ruin of all manner of animals. After a while the tumult ceased...At first the case of men was very helpless and pitiable; for they were alone among the wild beasts, and had to carry on the struggle for existence without arts or knowledge, and had no food, and did not know how to get any. That was the time when Prometheus brought them fire, Hephaestus and Athene taught them arts, and other gods gave them seeds and plants. Enough of the myth...The young Socrates has [already] heard of the sun rising in the west and setting in the east, and of the earth-born men; but he has never heard the origin of these remarkable phenomena. [Plato complains, using advanced vocabulary and complex syntax, that people are too skeptical, forgetful, or dismissive of older traditions and marvelous ancient accounts. He additionally complains that people who are prone to believing extraordinary things like to modify and exaggerate what he says about the the nature of Earths rotation, which unjustly makes Plano seem less believable by association] -------Translation by Jowett including questions by Socrates------ YOUNG SOCRATES: I suppose you to mean the token of the birth of the golden lamb. STRANGER: No, not that; but another part of the story, which tells how the sun and the stars once rose in the west, and set in the east, and that the god reversed their motion, and gave [our ancestors] that which they now have as a testimony... YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes; there is that legend also... STRANGER: Did you ever hear that the men of former times were earth-born, and not begotten of one another? YOUNG SOCRATES: Yes, that is another old tradition. STRANGER: All these stories, and ten thousand others which are still more wonderful, have a common origin; many of them have been lost in the lapse of ages, or are repeated only in a disconnected form; but the origin of them is [untold], and may as well be told now -- for the tale is suited to throw light on the nature of our king. YOUNG SOCRATES: Very good; and I hope that you will give the whole story, and leave out nothing. STRANGER: Listen, then. There is a time when God guides and helps to roll the world in its course; and there is a time, on the completion of a certain cycle, when he lets go [of the Earth], and the Earth being a living creature, and having originally received intelligence from its author and creator, turns about and by an inherent necessity [of physics] revolves in the opposite direction. YOUNG SOCRATES: Why is that? STRANGER: Why, because only the most divine things...remain...unchanged...[Earth's] body is not included in this class...[Earth is] of a bodily nature, and therefore cannot be entirely free from perturbation. But their motion is, as far as possible, single and in the same place, and of the same kind [in other words it has a motion vector]; and is therefore only subject to a reversal, which is the least alteration possible [to it's motion]. To think that God moves Earth at one time in one direction and at another time in another is blasphemy. Hence we must not say that the Earth is either self-moved always, or made to go round by God in two opposite courses; or that two Gods, having opposite purposes, make it move round. But as I have already said -- and this is the only remaining alternative -- the Earth...receives fresh life...from the renewing hand...and again, when it lets go, moves spontaneously, being set free...[This happens] during infinite cycles of years, [then it has] a reverse movement -- this is due to its perfect balance, to its vast size, and to the fact that it turns on the smallest pivot. YOUNG SOCRATES: Your account of the world seems to be very reasonable indeed. STRANGER: Let us now reflect and try to gather from what has been said the nature of the phenomenon which we affirmed to be the cause of all these wonders. It is this. YOUNG SOCRATES: What? STRANGER: The reversal which takes place from time to time of the motion of the universe. YOUNG SOCRATES: How is that the cause? STRANGER: Of all changes of the heavenly motions [of stars], we may consider this to be the greatest and most complete. YOUNG SOCRATES: I should imagine so. STRANGER: And it may be supposed to result in the greatest changes to the human beings who are the inhabitants of the world at the time. YOUNG SOCRATES: Such changes would naturally occur. STRANGER: And animals, as we know, survive with difficulty great and serious changes of many different kinds when they come upon them at once. YOUNG SOCRATES: Very true. STRANGER: Hence there necessarily occurs a great destruction of them...few survivors of the race are left, and those who remain become the subjects of several novel and remarkable phenomena, and of one in particular, which takes place at the time when the transition is made to the cycle opposite to that in which we are now living. ... STRANGER: ...the earth-born race, of which we hear in story, was the one which existed in those days -- they rose again from the ground; and of this tradition, which is now-a-days often unduly discredited, our ancestors, who were nearest in point of time to the end of the last period and came into being at the beginning of this, are to us the heralds... YOUNG SOCRATES: Certainly that is quite consistent with what has preceded; but tell me, [when] was the life [of leisure] which you said existed? [Was it during] the reign of Cronos in that cycle of the world, or in this? For the change in the course of the stars and the sun must have occurred in both. STRANGER: ...no, that blessed...life does not belong to the present cycle of the world, but to the previous one. ... STRANGER: When the change was to take place, and the earth-born race had all perished... the pilot of the universe let the helm go...and then Fate and innate desire reversed the motion of the world...And the world turning round with a sudden shock, being impelled in an opposite direction from beginning to end, was shaken by a mighty earthquake, which wrought a new destruction of all manner of animals. Afterwards, when sufficient time had elapsed, the tumult and confusion and earthquake ceased...As time went on, there was more and more forgetting, and the old discord again held sway and burst forth in full glory...Wherefore God...again seated himself at the helm; and bringing back the elements which had fallen into dissolution and disorder to the motion [of Earth] which had prevailed under his dispensation, he set them in order and restored them...And this is the whole tale...And so we have arrived at the real end of this discourse. [a discussion about other topics, but they briefly come back to discussing what life was like after the cycle event] Deprived...they were left helpless and defenseless, and were torn in pieces by the beasts, who were naturally fierce and had now grown wild. And in the first ages they were still without skill or resource; the food which once grew spontaneously had failed, and as yet they knew not how to procure it, because they had never felt the pressure of necessity....[fortunately] gifts [of knowledge] were imparted to man...together with so much teaching and education that was indispensable; fire was given to them by Prometheus, the arts by Hephaestus, Athene, seeds and plants by others. From these is derived all that has helped to frame human life...Enough of the story. x.com/imkharn/status…

I haven't seen much evidence yet of a coverup...but I only know of a few suspicious things. That said, the Enoch story you shared is wild. Ive never seen Enoch before so I apologize if this is common knowledge, but it seems to have a UFO abduction story as told by someone who doesn't know what space is. At the very least it matches up with most modern abduction claims. His thoughts appear to include: How am I being lifted up into the clouds like I am weightless? Wow I am inside a craft in the sky! Why are the stars more clear than I have ever seen before when I look through this perfectly transparent crystal that covers the ceiling (window)? Why is the outside of this craft glowing red? How are the walls so lifeless, plain, and not made of rock or wood? Omg they are taking me to an even bigger craft! This one also has humanoid creatures. One is sitting on a glowing chair, I should probably grovel. They say they regret interbreeding with humans, why would they want my help?

Hey, I get that this animation initially seems like a far far more plausible method to destroy casing stones than a high speed true polar wander event. Most (all?) people who follow ECDO started this way. Regarding blocking, TES blocks anti-science people. I mean the real definition of science not the propaganda one. Maybe the information below can reorientate your expectations and methods. Richard Feynman in his 1966 speech "What Is Science?" to the National Science Teachers Association: "[Teach children] to doubt the experts...I define science another way: Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. When someone says, 'Science teaches such and such,' he is using the word incorrectly. It should not be 'science has shown' but 'this experiment, this effect, has shown.' " Freeman Dyson's in his 1995 essay "The Scientist as Rebel": “If science ceases to be a rebellion against authority, then it does not deserve the talents of our brightest children.” And finally here is Albert Einstein explaining why a fast true polar wander is plausible and you should not dismiss it out of hand: x.com/imkharn/status…

I would go with meteoric iron trebuchet rounds assuming I didn't have explosives. You gotta aim at the right spot near the top for that max yield of 25%. If you aim too low, the stones won't tumble/break enough and they will be too heavy to pick up. If you aim too high they break up too small on the way down. Grok doesn't know how trebuchets work but hopefully this illustration of my plan will help.

That blue band was relocated to an undisclosed location. Literally. Hassan oversaw removal in 1938 and kept everything secret for 21 years. He wrote more than a page about the removal but never disclosed where it went. The rest of his paper is just descriptions of what they found during the removal. Hassan: “It was my aim to clear away the mounds of disfiguring debris, ...which we intended to remove, were certainly formed when the casing of the Pyramid was demolished, plus an accumulation of wind-borne sand...The removal...was real hard work...A small mountain of stone...had remained undisturbed since it first began to form with the destruction of the casing" Grok: Regarding secrecy/publication: Yes — literally all of it (the full details of the season’s work, the site photos, the architectural analysis, and especially the artifacts and inscriptions) remained unpublished until the 1960 volume... no one has published any attempt to pinpoint or study the final resting place.

TY. I have such a hard time believing they transported house size stones that I struggle to give up casting. "What if it is cured with heat after casting" I asked. Grok dismissed: No — letting the cast blocks fully cure/age naturally for 1–2 years and then applying heat as a “final treatment” still does not resolve Ethical Skeptic’s listed failure modes. It actually leaves (or worsens) most of them. Marcell Fóti’s Natron Theory would not produce the same long-range crystal chains, or defect-free geological fabric as natural andesite formed over millions of years. It creates a strong, castable geopolymer-like composite, but the microstructure remains fundamentally different.

@EthicalSkeptic @FoMaHun What mission would it fail at? The nubs are not load bearing. Seems OK if they fall off like an umbilical. My best guess is you will say its a weak point for a crack to start...if so maybe you can help illustrate how?

Just checked out the study. I think you misunderstood it. If anything is wrong below its mostly groks fault and partly mine. I'm not taking the time to do the real work because I have low expectations for how you will engage. They simply looked at queens chamber salt using xrays and a micro sample and found that it is indeed salt. Specifically salt that is indistinguishable from evaporating ocean water. They next assume ocean water inside the pyramid is impossible, leaving only one possibility: the limestone the pyramid was made out which was itself created by evaporating sea water, must have salt leeching out of it due to pH issues or something. In order to explain why the salt is up high they have some humidity making it crawl up theory or something. There is zero effort to date or age anything. The 50 million years thing is a consequence of an assumption that the pyramid must be excreting salt not of evidence. The bottom line to me is the study found evaporated sea water inside that was in no way dated, then they assumed the most plausible reason for why sea salt is there. They propose a reasonable source (the pyramid releasing it) but they had no choice but to make hard to believe explanations. But hey, those explanations are way easier to believe than ocean water spending years inside the pyramid. So its not like they made any mistakes....You did though in thinking this study rules out recent sea water.

Random extra information: --The star information was pulled from VizieR using python. --The start and end locations being the same as the artwork is not evidence or supportive of ECDO; it was made to line up that way. However, the artwork does just happen to be compatible with ECDO's 104 total motion relative to a marked horizon and a slight declination change when viewed from Malta. --I was not able to figure out the coordinate system. That said, after posting it occurred to me that if the horizon is the line at the top and bottom as evidenced by it forming a 104 angle then maybe it counts from there. If the coordinate system is decoded and the exact X,Y of all 4 spirals are known then we can check if all 8 resulting numbers match ECDO (hopefully the artist marked it exactly instead of approximate or symbolic); maybe then it would count as evidence. --My goal was to learn exactly how ECDO theory says the stars would move, and how this might differ around the world. This post is actually a side effect of broader post I am working on to give an overview of double spirals around the world. --I had my choice of double spirals (both carved and geoglyph) over the world to choose from as a background, usually with ECDO's 104 degree angle marked nearby. Malta was chosen because it is close to the bisecting line giving it a unique experience where the center of the spiral barely changes height on the horizon enabling the artwork to be near symmetrical.

88 real "undying" Northern stars of Malta in 4413 BCE (ρ ≤ 36° from inertial NCP, mag < 4.5) animated using Malta-specific math from ECDO theory with a 48 hour transition drawn over the image of the Four-Spiral Panel from Tarxien Central Temple, Malta. Note: All undying stars were rendered (ones that never set below the horizon), even though it is likely the spirals represent less stars. This star animation attempts to accurately approximate ECDO theory, which is solely the work of its author, @EthicalSkeptic theethicalskeptic.com/2024/05/23/mas…

An interpretation of Four-Spiral Panel from Tarxien Central Temple, Malta assuming ECDO theory is true:

@ArchaicLens If you had to guess do you think they coated the edge of the saw with steel forged from "sky rock", or something else, or do you think they just burned through copper really fast (stone is harder than copper) ?

Heads up, I plan to delete the above post soon. (Not to retract claims, but to advance them.) I shared too early because I'm limited on free time. I just need to do the proper work and post less often. My replies which will remain safe to repost and won't be taken down. I just want a higher quality standard for my top level posts. My goal was to be playful and cryptic to make it like a puzzle so others could experience the same thing I did. Instead I think I came across arrogant, confusing, and only a few people were interested in making measurements.