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@hage8675309 @1000HolyPlaces @LifeNewsToo You keep calling your conclusion a “fact” and then accusing me of obfuscation because I won’t accept it. That’s not logic. That’s just insisting harder.

@hage8675309 @1000HolyPlaces @LifeNewsToo That's not “wordplay.” Embryo and fetus are the correct biological terms. I explicitly acknowledged that the embryo or fetus dies. What I won't do is adopt your deliberately loaded wording so you can smuggle “personhood” into the premise and pretend you've proven your conclusion.

@hage8675309 @1000HolyPlaces @LifeNewsToo 2) Dependency doesn't erase bodily autonomy. If your survival requires my kidney, blood or bone marrow, your dependency doesn't give you the right to take them. You're not arguing for equal rights for the fetus. You're arguing for an additional right nobody else has.

@hage8675309 @1000HolyPlaces @LifeNewsToo Jen, neither statement establishes your conclusion. 1) Even granting a fetus equal rights for the sake of argument, equal rights don't include a special right to use another person's body without consent. No born person has that right either.

@hage8675309 @1000HolyPlaces @LifeNewsToo Murder is a legal category of unlawful killing. You keep taking two observations, stapling your moral conclusion onto them, calling all three “facts”, then demanding I accept the conclusion.

@ColterOwen @hage8675309 @1000HolyPlaces @LifeNewsToo Colter, did you actually read the screenshot YOU POSTED? “Murder is when a person UNLAWFULLY kills another person.” You literally brought the definition I've been explaining to you as evidence that I'm wrong. This fucking thread is magnificent.

@hage8675309 @1000HolyPlaces @LifeNewsToo I have

@hage8675309 @1000HolyPlaces @LifeNewsToo No need to assume. I disagree with your premise. I don't believe a fetus has a right to use another person's body without their continuing consent simply because it is defenseless. You believe abortion should be criminalised. I believe reproductive autonomy means it shoudnt be

@hage8675309 @1000HolyPlaces @LifeNewsToo No, Jen. The killing is admitted. The murder is not. Self-defence says, essentially: “Yes, I intentionally killed that person, but the killing was legally justified.” You've just accidentally demonstrated why “intentional killing = murder” is fucking wrong.

@hage8675309 @1000HolyPlaces @LifeNewsToo Jen, you've said the same thing three times now. We know that's your opinion. Repetition doesn't upgrade it to an argument. And Grandma chiming in with “Always” from the rocking chair isn't peer review

@Malia_joo Which “People's Poll” would that be, Malia? And a gaggle of pole dancers doesn't count.

@1000HolyPlaces @hage8675309 @LifeNewsToo we've reached “back in my day…” already. “I've seen this country change so much in my lifetime…” Alright Grandma, settle into the rocking chair and tell us about how a Coke used to cost a nickel and society collapsed when women started wearing trousers

@hage8675309 @1000HolyPlaces @LifeNewsToo This is adorable. You've both stated the same opinion, said “Right!?!” to each other, and somehow taken mutual agreement as confirmation that you've established a fact. You haven't. “I believe abortion is immoral” = moral position. “Abortion is murder” = legal claim.

@hage8675309 @1000HolyPlaces @LifeNewsToo Congratulations on discovering that semantics are relevant when debating the meaning of a word. “Intentionally kills a human” still isn't the definition of murder. Otherwise every lawful killing in self-defence would also be murder.

@1000HolyPlaces @hage8675309 @LifeNewsToo You can both be as morally outraged and incredulous as you like. You believe abortion is morally wrong and should be murder. Cool. That's your position. It doesn't magically transform “I think it should be murder” into “it is murder.”

@1000HolyPlaces @LifeNewsToo I didn't say the law determines right and wrong. I said the law determines what is legally classified as murder. Slavery being legal didn't make slavery morally right. It made slavery legal and morally wrong. Likewise, you can believe abortion is morally wrong.

@Ryan_Parkerrr I love how Americans announce “I'll just move to another country” as though the rest of us are sitting at the airport waiting to welcome them. Looking at your MAGA post history though, please stay there. The rest of us need the entertainment. No other country wants you all lol

@Malia_joo Looking at your MAGA post history, I'm not entirely convinced the rest of the world is accepting applications. Please stay in America. You guys provide the rest of us with far too much entertainment to start exporting the fucking cast.

@DPrello researching..... you just stated that processed = poison. I think maybe you should try some basic comprehension before you do anymore "research"