Generative Fish @GenerativeFish
https://t.co/0YtFjkaBS6 discord.gg/y9J8js23 🐠🐟🐡 metaverse sea 🐠🐟🐡 Joined August 2021-
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Whoa kudos all around
今回、楽しい企画に参加させて頂いて結果は残念だったのですが、 補填という形で0.025ethを頂いてしまいました💦 何から何までお心遣いありがとうございます🙏 また機会があれば参加させて頂きたいと思います！ この度はありがとうございました🥰 @GenerativeFish @Gasorinringg #NFT #giveaway
今回、楽しい企画に参加させて頂いて結果は残念だったのですが、 補填という形で0.025ethを頂いてしまいました💦 何から何までお心遣いありがとうございます🙏 また機会があれば参加させて頂きたいと思います！ この度はありがとうございました🥰 @GenerativeFish @Gasorinringg #NFT #giveaway
NFT貰えないの悲しみだけどしょうがなし！って思ってたけど、なんと@GenerativeFish さんからETHを頂きました！ありがとうございます😭！ このETHは使わずに、次のプロジェクトが来た時のために取っておきます！ （本当はお寿司食べたいけど...！！笑） @Gasorinringg さん、色々ありがとう！感謝！
NFT貰えないの悲しみだけどしょうがなし！って思ってたけど、なんと@GenerativeFish さんからETHを頂きました！ありがとうございます😭！ このETHは使わずに、次のプロジェクトが来た時のために取っておきます！ （本当はお寿司食べたいけど...！！笑） @Gasorinringg さん、色々ありがとう！感謝！ https://t.co/GZvZRfh958
To @LingdongH, we are sorry. We really like you work. Please do not feel bad or discouraged and please keep on creating. And thank you for being so generous with sharing your wonderful talents with the world. So long and thanks for all the fish!
@GenerativeFish @LingdongH It's a pity, I feel surprised and look forward to your better NFT. good luck
@dlivingstone @epredator @GenerativeFish @mattereum Let THEM decide if they want to participate in an energy inefficient PoW-based NFT, a more efficient PoS, PoH or node-based solution, or maybe some solution exclusively leveraging solar and wind power. Demonizing everything only ensures those who might benefit, won't.
@dlivingstone @epredator @GenerativeFish @mattereum And maybe I can buy another piece for US$100 and perhaps sell it at Sotheby's or license it to an ad agency; none of the proceeds going back to the artist. You do know under the current system an artist rarely benefits from resale of the work, yes? Smart contract NFT's do that.
@dlivingstone @epredator @GenerativeFish @mattereum So many intangibles are represented by ... metadata. NFTs are poised to take over real estate; efficiently bundling documents that currently represent ownership of a piece of Earth; an idea lost on the original indigenous population of North America. Is a deed worthless?
@epredator How was it a con? Did @GenerativeFish misrepresent what they were providing? Care to share? The original code was freely released as a Do What You Want license on Github. Are we now saying open source code with a full permissions license *isn't* actually full permissions?
@epredator Now if the core issue is that the "art" is *generative*, that's an issue that's STILL being discussed in art/design circles. I first encountered it almost 20 years ago on the Core77 forums. But that particular NFT is a special case and shouldn't stand in for non-generative NFTs.
@epredator If I'm not mistaken, the original code was open source; posted on Github with a Create license to do what you please with the code. If true, how is that "ripping off"? And how is this different than what others have done (e.g. MakerBot monetizing a snapshot of RepRap)?
@purge88 @LingdongH @GenerativeFish Also ask yourself: if you write text with the Microsoft Word text processor, to whom does the text belong? Microsoft? So why should the output of the fish generator belong to the author of the fish generator?
@GenerativeFish @LingdongH Good. The right thing to do
Good call here imo, and possibly a teachable moment for the #NFTCommunity
Good call here imo, and possibly a teachable moment for the #NFTCommunity
@GenerativeFish @LingdongH Thank you for taking quick actions to correct the misstep! Faith in humanity +1
@GenerativeFish @LingdongH Thanks for doing the right thing.
The right call. Good job on the quick response.
The right call. Good job on the quick response.
@GenerativeFish @LingdongH respect.
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@GenerativeFish @LingdongH thank you! -- this is the right call
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* Special announcement * Project @GenerativeFish is shutting down effective immediately. We offer our deepest apologies to @LingdongH and anyone else who have felt slighted due to this project. For details, here's a thread.
@nelson @golan regardless, i think licenses are just a band-aid at best. more legal infrastructure to replace what should be social understanding is a dead end. x.com/xor/status/143…
an entity capturing many orders of magnitude more value than it creates is a parasite, and treating parasites as another user to license results in a system that works worse for everyone
@nelson @golan note that anticapitalist.software may actually allow this kind of exploitation (generative copyminting meets the requirement of "an individual person, laboring for themselves"). whereas the commons clause might (?) forbid it. x.com/kcimc/status/1…
has anyone used the commons clause for their code-based art? i don't think licenses are the solution to exploitation of artists, but if you are otherwise planning to go closed-source this might be a good middle ground commonsclause.com
@nelson @mattdesl @LingdongH @GenerativeFish Thanks for this, Nelson. Lingdong is my former student and I try to keep an eye out for him. Other concerned parties were @zachlieberman @kcimc & @erRafael. Of possible interest is the anticapitalist.software license by @everestpipkin & @ra.
@golan I feel protective of artists and particularly students. Thanks for focusing the discussion.
I've written a blog post trying to summarize the discussion about the unauthorized NFT of Lingdong Huang's open source generative art code. somebits.com/weblog/culture… /cc @golan @mattdesl @LingdongH @GenerativeFish
今回、楽しい企画に参加させて頂いて結果は残念だったのですが、 補填という形で0.025ethを頂いてしまいました💦 何から何までお心遣いありがとうございます🙏 また機会があれば参加させて頂きたいと思います！ この度はありがとうございました🥰 @GenerativeFish @Gasorinringg #NFT #giveaway
残念なお知らせがあります。 僕がNFTgiveaway 企画をやったGenerativeFish ですが、魚の作者の許可を得ることが出来ず発売は中止となってしまいました。企画に参加してくださった皆様、当選者の@Naumanboo @yami_nabe_10 様、申し訳ございませんでした🙇♂️
NFT貰えないの悲しみだけどしょうがなし！って思ってたけど、なんと@GenerativeFish さんからETHを頂きました！ありがとうございます😭！ このETHは使わずに、次のプロジェクトが来た時のために取っておきます！ （本当はお寿司食べたいけど...！！笑） @Gasorinringg さん、色々ありがとう！感謝！
残念なお知らせがあります。 僕がNFTgiveaway 企画をやったGenerativeFish ですが、魚の作者の許可を得ることが出来ず発売は中止となってしまいました。企画に参加してくださった皆様、当選者の@Naumanboo @yami_nabe_10 様、申し訳ございませんでした🙇♂️
@kGolid This just happened to @LingdongH with @GenerativeFish and they shut down out of respect. I think many people are sympathetic to your position. NFT space needs to create stigma around this. Blend of many topics here: remix culture, open source / MIT license, attribution, greed
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Once again, we offer our deepest apologies to @LingdongH and whoever that might felt slighted. We do not wish to harm, misrepresent, inflame, discredit any one in any ways.
Our goal when starting out this project was to: 1. Bring great arts to more people 2. Explore blockchain as a new medium 3. Honor the artist's creative work To that end, we clearly failed our generous artist @LingdongH
Our hope was that while we work on the project on testnet, we would have been able to reach @LingdongH and collaborate based on his vision before any mainnet release.
Having received no responses for days, with the MIT permissive license of fishdraw, we decided to follow the proverb of "it's better to ask forgiveness than permission". Taking the crypto permissionless ethos perhaps a bit too far.
We first came across to @LingdongH {Shan, Shui}* github.com/LingDong-/shan… and followed his projects over the past 3 years. When we learnt fishdraw on Hacker News 26 days ago, we felt compelled to make this into NFTs and started to reach out to the artist the best we can.
Having spoken directly with some of the fine folks in these threads, it occurred to us the distinct difference between an artist mindset and a programmer's mindset. From arts perspective, it's hard for people to tell where the "tool" ends, and where the "work" begins.
@GenerativeFish @LingdongH It's a pity, I feel surprised and look forward to your better NFT. good luck
@dlivingstone @epredator @GenerativeFish @mattereum Let THEM decide if they want to participate in an energy inefficient PoW-based NFT, a more efficient PoS, PoH or node-based solution, or maybe some solution exclusively leveraging solar and wind power. Demonizing everything only ensures those who might benefit, won't.
@dlivingstone @epredator @GenerativeFish @mattereum And maybe I can buy another piece for US$100 and perhaps sell it at Sotheby's or license it to an ad agency; none of the proceeds going back to the artist. You do know under the current system an artist rarely benefits from resale of the work, yes? Smart contract NFT's do that.
@dlivingstone @epredator @GenerativeFish @mattereum So many intangibles are represented by ... metadata. NFTs are poised to take over real estate; efficiently bundling documents that currently represent ownership of a piece of Earth; an idea lost on the original indigenous population of North America. Is a deed worthless?
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