Doug Cameron @DougCameron51
Former Labor Senator for NSW, Former National Secretary and Life Member AMWU. Hobart, Tasmania Joined May 2014-
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How dare the Murdoch press, an organisation with no moral compass, attack @unionsaustralia for opposing the slaughter of innocent Palestinians by the Israeli military. The disgraced Murdoch press lecturing unions on morality is a twisted, sick joke apple.news/Ah0FGKhV0R2ev0…
I commend the ACTU for refusing to ignore the atrocities inflicted on innocent Palestinians by the Israeli govt and its military machine. Legitimate community concerns that the Israeli govt is acting disproportionately following Hamas terror attacks. actu.org.au/media-release/…
Thank goodness Mike Pezzullo does not have a seat at the table! Someone who thinks it’s his “destiny” that he lost his job after playing politics while being a top level public servant should not be advising govt on defence strategy. We must avoid conflict becoming inevitable.
Always knew the Libs would use the crazy and expensive Aukus decision to buy second hand nuclear subs as a battering ram against Labor. Labor should dump Aukus and rely on pursuing conventional, effective, affordable defence hardware. Diplomacy, before aggression. Peace not war!
The argument for small modular nuclear reactors for power plants by Dutton is simply another excuse from the LNP to avoid real action on carbon emissions reduction. Nuclear not happening on an industrial scale anywhere as shown in @guardian report. theguardian.com/australia-news…
It’s a bit rich for Phil Coorey and Samantha Maiden to claim the Fin Review and the Murdoch press are bound by rules and decency😂 Don’t they read their own publications? #Insiders
The usual suspects are out attacking Labor’s policy to invest in building Australia’s manufacturing resilience and independence. Under Banks “leadership” the PC promoted neoliberal ideology that resulted in job losses, and reduced industrial capacity. 😳 apple.news/AD9Luyt7SS-aBQ…
The ANZ/ Core Logic report confirms the housing “market” has failed. More Australians are forced into rental and mortgage poverty with huge social and economic implications. “Smart”, modular homes help reduce building and running costs we need them here! theurbandeveloper.com/articles/corel…
“A robust and forceful speech” says David Speers as he describes the universally condemned Dutton speech comparing Opera House demonstrations with the Port Arthur massacre. FFS Dutton’s speech was divisive stupidity from a desperate, despicable politician masquerading as a leader
Modern, environmentally sustainable modular housing costs less to build, less to heat and cool can make a significant contribution to technology, productivity and jobs. We need a sustainable, productive and fair Australia that delivers for all not just executive salaries!
The smug and disdainful critique of Labor’s strategy to increase our manufacturing independence is typical of the narrow minded neoliberal claptrap that dominates our media. No wonder politicians are hesitant to take steps to ensure we can make things and create jobs. #Insiders
The Productivity Commission and the Murdoch press mount an attack on Labor for having the gall to propose we invest in Australian manufacturing jobs. The bean counters in the PC want us to be a quarry with no downstream processing and no downstream jobs. apple.news/AP_uu7IecTcqQq…
That was a great Labor speech by @AlboMP Challenging the status quo, presenting a vision for the future and offering an alternative to Australia continuing as a quarry, farm and tourist destination. That was Albo and Labor at its best!
My union @theamwu has always argued for more intervention by govt in creating high skilled, well paid and sustainable manufacturing jobs. Markets left to their own means manufacturing decline and job losses. Hope it’s not just about nuclear subs! theguardian.com/australia-news…
Great to see @JulianHillMP reject the media and LNP claptrap on Gaza. Julian nails it and explains the logic, humanity and common sense behind @SenatorWong and @AustralianLabor supporting recognition of Palestine and the need for a two state solution.
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Jane Birdwatcher nois.. @Pullenvalebirds
1K Followers 948 Following Proudly ALP rusted-on. Living on Yugera land. Sarcastic centre left septuagenarian.Tragic Sydney Swans and Aust cricket supporter [email protected]“A robust and forceful speech” says David Speers as he describes the universally condemned Dutton speech comparing Opera House demonstrations with the Port Arthur massacre. FFS Dutton’s speech was divisive stupidity from a desperate, despicable politician masquerading as a leader
@DougCameron51 @SuDharmapala Hi Doug, can I just say how great it is to have you still fighting the good fight with us! All power to you.
If only Gladys Berejiklian was still NSW Premier and shacked up with old mate Daryl Maguire they could have staged the Commonwealth Games in Wagga...
Dutton desperately trying to divert from his party’s culpability in the RoboDebt scandal by spruiking for nuclear power stations, the most expensive form of power. Labor govts deliver Medicare, education reform, TAFE places and jobs. Coalition delivers RoboDebt and WorkChoices!
@Matt_KeanMP She was on the phone speaking corruptly. Did you read the transcript? Even she realised her position was untenable, so resigned.
@DougCameron51 My Dad Jim said the same, we should not be going to war for a few bloody votes.
Celebrating 120 years of @taslabor I confessed to @DougCameron51 In order get my bouffant updo, I had to use more hairspray than "you know who" getting ready to give false information to a Senate inquiry. #politas #auspol #auspol2023 #michaelasmeltdown #corruption
#RobodebtRC just home from today’s antics, we never should have lost Rhys, but he had no chance with these cretins, I’m so so angry, so angry at the harm they caused to so many people RIP my beautiful son 💔💔💔
There’s a story in today’s papers about my daughter, Anna. A few years ago she was the victim of serious crime. Like any parent, I was devastated when I found out. She has chosen to share her story because it might help someone else. I’m so proud of her.
Jeannie-Marie Blake fought against Robodebt from the very beginning. She fought for the public, for her colleagues and for herself because she knew it was wrong. Thank you Jeannie! #RobodebtRC
#RobodebtRC Greggery questioning Tudge about his authorisation of personal details to be released to News Corp's Simon Benson. News Corp dutifully published them. Simon Benson did Tudge's dirty work. Absolute scum. Both of 'em. 🐝 #auspol
@DougCameron51 @LadyPoop2 Thank you Doug for continuing to speak out even in retirement. We ned your voice. Always. 👍
This is horrendous! How can a country with so much wealth have so much racism, division and inequality? There must be justice for Tyre Nichols and his family. Nothing can justify the inhumane treatment, brutality and violence meted out by those paid to uphold the law!
@DougCameron51 Labour???? My good brother was one of 16 recipients of an Ambo gong, 14 of them career ambos, my brother & another woman also from Indi were the only Community Officers So proud of him! #Kindness
@DougCameron51 @JulianLeeser @PeterDutton_MP Leeser’s searching about for an excuse to swallow his words of support when he thought a “Yes” was where everyone was headed, & speaking early wd bring him political benefit. Now he fears he’s in trouble in his own party,& is looking for a way to slither back to the pack.Gutless.
What has the ABC audience done to deserve the shyte provided in Camilla’s Country Life? An insignificant gormless git with no relevance to Australia. What a thoroughly uninteresting person. Bring on the #RepublicNow, instead of @abcnews showing Royal trash. #auspol
Josh Hazlewood and Lance Morris having a decent trundle in the MCG nets this morning. Wonder if one of them might be required in Sydney… #AUSvSA
Thrilled to bits. Das Book has just won the Australian Naval Institute’s Sam Bateman prize for naval writing. It’s a huge pleasure and a humbling honour.
@DougCameron51 If the public service is the problem, then he has no one else to blame but himself. He, Abbott, Turnbull and Howard spent years turning the frank and fearless public service into a bunch of mewling yes men. He got exactly what he wanted from them.
So @JacquiLambie is badmouthing @DavidPocock because he has the smarts and compassion to recognise workers need a pay rise! Tasmanians are doing it tough while Lambie sucks up to business, ignores inequality and the housing crisis. I once thought she had potential, not now!
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