JustSomeGuy - Torah Follower@SomeTorahGuy
Hebrew Roots? Messianic? I don't know I'm JustSomeGuy that thinks Christians should continue to follow Torah Joined December 2021-
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I have a question for those of you that obey Torah and also believe Christ is the Messiah. Do you use the term "Christian" to describe yourself?
Christians say that all they have to do is love God and their neighbor, because the Law hangs on these things. But where did Christ get this idea? Moses! Moses said that the greatest command was to love God. He said this is to be done by following the Law, not be rejecting it.
Acts is such a good book. It's amazing to see how much of "Jewish" culture Paul embraced for a guy that supposedly taught against those practices. He clearly doesn't think following the Law negates the sacrifice of Christ as many Christians claim.
Christians say that Jesus declared all meat clean in Matt. 15 but also say that Peter's vision was about all meat being clean. Was Peter just not given the memo until 10 years later? Are we to believe no one brought this up to him for a decade? Or perhaps, not all meat is clean.
I'm told by many that the Messianic movement is a cult. Do we have a cult leader? No Do we all share a strict set of doctrines? No Are we threatened for questioning? No Are we forced to socially isolate from unbelievers? No In other words you just don't like us challenging you.
I just learned that many, if not most wines contain gelatin (beef or pork). Just one more reason to be self-reliant.
Apparently Paul, James, Peter, Christ Himself and the rest of the NT writers are a plague on Christianity. They followed the Torah and preached the gospel.
Apparently Paul, James, Peter, Christ Himself and the rest of the NT writers are a plague on Christianity. They followed the Torah and preached the gospel.
Hi friends, I am trying to learn more about the 7 churches in Revelation. The church of Ephesus was rebuked for leaving their first love. What was their first love?
Acts 21: James informs Paul that there is a false rumor going around that Paul preaches against the Law of Moses. James than says that "everyone will know that there is no truth to these rumors about you, but that you also live in obedience to the law." Paul followed the Law!
Torah observance (as Christians) is not about rejecting Christ (as many seem to think). It is about accepting the grace that God has given, and following the Torah as a means of demonstrating our love for God.
Interesting how throughout the OT the Law is described as "eternal", "everlasting", "throughout your generations", "forever", etc, but NOT once is it described as "until the Messiah comes". The Messiah gave us new insights into the Law, He did not turn God into a liar.
Let's look at faith in a more real situation. You're doing a trust fall and tell your partner and everyone around that you have faith in the person catching you, yet you refuse to fall and let your partner catch you. Do you have faith? Obviously not! Faith comes with action.
Two things can be true at once: 1. You can follow the Law to demonstrate your love for God. 2. You are not under the Law as a sole means of salvation. People that come against Torah observance can't understand these two things, which is why they show such animosity towards us.
Today's Christians claim that the law is a curse to those that follow it. Yet whenever I ask what curse Paul fell under for following the law, they can't answer. This principle holds true for every New Testament writer.
Acts 10 is an easy chapter to understand. God gives Peter a vision showing unclean meat. Peter doesn't understand the vision, as he knows that this meat is still unclean. God then shows him the vision 2 more times. Peter then understands that the vision is about people not food.
Spent this Saturday reading the Bible and relaxing by doing no work. I'm still trying to figure out how following the Sabbath is a curse (as I am told is the case). I'm only seeing blessings.
Christians don't understand there are more than 2 options: 1 Being legalistic for salvation. 2 Rejecting the law. There is a middle ground, which is following God's law out of love and a desire to please him, while understanding that these acts don't make us worthy of salvation.
Pork is clearly not a healthy meat. Yet Christians don't understand (ignorance is bliss) the link between this and God calling it unclean. Instead, they fight God and tell Him that He is wrong because they like the taste of the forbidden.
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@SomeTorahGuy @servantofmessia They are obsessed with earning salvation through works of the Flesh, and are not Spirit-oriented as Christ intended for us.
@Matt_15_8 The issue is Torah isn’t what saves us, Christ is what saves. I don’t think Torah observers believe they are justified by Torah, I know I don’t. The issue in Acts 15 and Galatians is those Pharisees preached salvation through circumcision and Torah observance, which is false.
@Matt_15_8 Dietary laws are not man made. Now there were some specific Oral law dietary traditions but that isn’t what Acts 10 is about, it’s about people not being unclean based on their blood status (Jew vs Gentile, as Jews thought they were saved because of their ancestors)
@SomeTorahGuy @Matt_15_8 Well played, sir, well played. Perhaps I should rephrase that Christian Zionists have learned from Jews who don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah.
If abortion is simply medical care, you wouldn’t need to cling to situations of rape, domestic violence, incest, etc in an attempt to justify it.
““For this is the covenant I will make with the house of Isra’el after those days,” says Adonai: 👉“I will put my Torah within them and write it on their hearts; 👈I will be their God, and they will be my people.” Yirmeyahu (Jer) 31:32 CJB
@SomeTorahGuy It just proves what spirit is operating inside them, if they don’t see the law as holy, just & good! Our sin is the problem, not the law… & we must crucify our flesh daily, as it was our sins that got nailed to the cross, not the law. 🙏🏽
You do realize that the average Christian.. has NO (zero) interest in what the OLD Testament says..
@unworthy_prod No. The law is a curse for those who try to be justified by it, but it is a lamp to the feet of those who walk by faith.
@andrewmbales @D_B_Harrison @NewProtestant Because faith without works is dead (book of James). No one is saved by works but works is what proves their faith. God is not as simple as this person makes Him out to be.
@karndogs @RealBrysonGray It was about people, not food. He was teaching him that gentiles are not unclean. God was disabusing Peter of the Jewish “tradition” of not associating with Gentiles.
@karndogs @RealBrysonGray Why do you suppose Peter was still keeping these laws even 10 years after Yeshua? Did he not read Mark 7?
@karndogs @RealBrysonGray You mean where God gives Peter a vision and the meaning of said vision was given in the same chapter? … but God has shown me that I should not call any person common or unclean. –Acts 10:28 Is that what you meant?